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ilr · Oct 21, 2010, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by lemming

It's interesting that you think this is the case, since nearly everyone in this recent previous thread who touched on the issue insisted that the barriers were player-made - including you, in fact.

Let's see... how can I respond to this in a way that won't be silenced for reasons which will remain unexplained? ...actually I don't know... so please tell me how I should respond to it? What's wrong with me having assumptions first of all? What if I'm waiting to be proven wrong by actions? ...either by Anet, or by hard core PvP'ers? And what exactly are they giving up out of their usual playing habits (dominate the fresh meat!) to change anyone's assumptions?

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Who's willing to help new players out in Starcraft 1 or Quake Live or Counter-Strike? Guides for new players exist, but I doubt that you'll be finding many people who'll help you beyond telling you to dive into the deep end headfirst.

(Starcraft 1 is pretty notorious for this. New players are expected to lose at least their first 50 matches on the primary matchmaking ladder.)

This was my point though... No guides or cronies were necessary in these other games, you just jumped in and learned as you went along. The only time that isn't possible is when the Ladders are clogged with smurfs doing exactly what I just said: Modus Operandi; Dominating the fresh meat. Otherwise the newbs get to face other newbs or atleast get some amount of randomness factoring in (like in FA) which enables the transition to veteran-hood via the natural process of trial & error instead of rote memorizing of guides & social-climbing within archaic guild structures.

There's nothing radical about what I'm asking for here and I'd really appreciate it if it was taken at that face value. Thank you.

Ariena Najea · Oct 21, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12

I think many of the criticisms here spawn from a common problem - many players are more interested than winning or titles than having a good time during the match. If you really only enjoy grind, GvG is not for you, but you may enjoy grinding HA for rank.

The GvG changes this Halloween should be interesting.

The PvP Community · Oct 22, 2010, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

I think many of the criticisms here spawn from a common problem - many players are more interested than winning or titles than having a good time during the match. If you really only enjoy grind, GvG is not for you, but you may enjoy grinding HA for rank.

The GvG changes this Halloween should be interesting.

The trick or treat bags?

The GvG community supports this idea.

*lemming* · Oct 22, 2010, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

I see much more willingless to help out new players in other PvP games than I see in guild Wars.

I wish everyone in PvP had the same mindset that the OP has and is willing to help out newbs, but the harsh reality is that there are just too many in the game that do not share this idealism which is really a shame as this ruins the hope of players trying to get a start in PvP.

But the problem is, most of a new player's interaction is going to be with the cesspools that are RA and HA, where the average player is about as mature as a teabagger on Xbox Live. Players are a lot more helpful in GvG, which is also unfortunately less accessible - which is what this thread is trying to address.

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Originally Posted by ilr

What if I'm waiting to be proven wrong by actions? ...either by Anet, or by hard core PvP'ers?

For the record, implying that dabbling in PvP is tantamount to asking to being raped and murdered is what got your last post deleted.

This thread is an attempt to prove you wrong. Unfortunately, it feels as if you've been skimming it and only picking out the points to your liking.

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Originally Posted by ilr

This was my point though... No guides or cronies were necessary in these other games, you just jumped in and learned as you went along. The only time that isn't possible is when the Ladders are clogged with smurfs doing exactly what I just said: Modus Operandi; Dominating the fresh meat. Otherwise the newbs get to face other newbs or atleast get some amount of randomness factoring in (like in FA) which enables the transition to veteran-hood via the natural process of trial & error instead of rote memorizing of guides & social-climbing within archaic guild structures.

It's a bit hard to take your posts at face value when you try to make points like this. I don't want to pigeonhole you, so I'm just going to correct you.

The lower reaches of the ladder are not populated by smurfs preying on new players. The prevalence of complaints about them is mostly just something to blame for losses (something seen at higher ranks, too).

There's very little rote memorization of anything involved. Besides basic mechanics about how the game works, just about everything else is something that can be intuitively understood after a few encounters, or something abstract that only Ensign will ever grasp.

As for "archaic guild structures," you'll have to explain yourself.

Still Number One · Oct 22, 2010, 03:15 AM // 03:15

I'm not gonna lie, this thread has made me consider playing again. Although I'm not quite sure I have the time considering I've been booked with trying finish up my senior year at University and applying around for grad schools. Not to mention I have been enjoying spending my nights outside of Guild Wars.

I do miss GvG though. Problem is I doubt I could pick up at the level I left off at, my friends who do still play are now lots better then I ever was and I don't feel like I have it in me to work my way up again. Man I can be such a downer sometimes.

The PvP Community · Oct 22, 2010, 05:16 AM // 05:16

The American GvG Community experienced a four round AT tonight.

Progress.

Hopefully everyone enjoys playing for the trick or treat bags.

Tweeaaked · Oct 22, 2010, 06:38 AM // 06:38

sup lews
sup purr

Just Sai · Oct 22, 2010, 06:48 AM // 06:48

great thread with genuine intention.
fully supported from this obscure direction.
i am one of these.
just ask me.

Lews · Oct 22, 2010, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by Tweeaaked

sup lews
sup purr

Tweaked you mother****er! Sign on IRC some time.

Oh, and sup.

Glad to hear the AT had more rounds tonight! Hopefully it will continue to grow

Jbrown · Oct 22, 2010, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by upier

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...t10455967.html

I'd rather pass up on the opportunity of playing with the nice people here than risk running into one of those morons.
Am I aware that I am referring to a notoriously bad PvP mode and drawing conclusions that might be completely unrelated to the mode in this thread?
Absolutely!
Do I care?
No. Quite simply because I am still able to have fun despite making this decision. It's you that gets screwed.
And I don't care about you.

Maybe once GW2 rolls into town people will realise that it pays off to not behave like dicks in ANY mode that requires other people to play with.

I don't understand why people like you post in a thread that pertains to people who might be interested in gvging. If you don't care about the format or about the community, don't post in it. Its people like you who spread the terrible rumors that all pvp'ers are evil do'ers that strive to troll and flame any other person that plays this game. Get over yourself.

fowlero · Oct 22, 2010, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by upier

The thread I posted contains nice examples showcasing the exact kind of behaviour that is making me not want to PvP.
So the question is - would you prefer to know why people don't want to PvP so that one can work on that and potentially convince players to actually try it or would you prefer that people just shut up and don't play?

The PvP community is NO position to come here and just asks to be trusted! You have screwed up too royally for that!

Your skin isn't thick enough for it, so you choose not to play. Fair enough that's completely reasonable.

There are however, still a lot of people out there that still want to try out GvG. Many of them won't mind the occasional bit of trash that comes in any competitive aspect of games.

Noones asking to be trusted, just inviting those interested people to get together and play the game. Also reminding them that high end GvG players tend not to be the trash talkers that populates HA/RA, that many pve players wrongly associate all of the PvP community as being like. These players they will actually play for you, and if asked will give all the advice you want.

helloeveryone · Oct 22, 2010, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by fowlero

Noones asking to be trusted, just inviting those interested people to get together and play the game. Also reminding them that high end GvG players tend not to be the trash talkers that populates HA/RA, that many pve players wrongly associate all of the PvP community as being like. These players they will actually play for you, and if asked will give all the advice you want.

that is not true, the advice they gave me in RA is "go back to PVE", "stop playing pvp you noob". yep

Ops, sorry to add that those are "high end" , coloured "cape" guild messing around in RA

fowlero · Oct 22, 2010, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

that is not true, the advice they gave me in RA is "go back to PVE", "stop playing pvp you noob". yep

Ops, sorry to add that those are "high end" , coloured "cape" guild messing around in RA

You misunderstood what i said.

I meant that the high end gvg players are not (always) like those in HA/RA who spam crap like you mentioned, and will in fact give you good advice/help you out occasionally if you ask them.

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Originally Posted by upier

I don't see why a person would need thick skin to take advice.
Unless that advice is covered in a pile of rude shit.

But I guess being able to talk trash is more important than all the players you'd gain by refraining from that.
I mean, it's clearly working out for you guys.

I'm not denying that there is trash talk in GvG, it will happen occasionally (and i mean very infrequently from my personal experience) and you need to have skin to take it. All i'm saying is that it is usually RA/HA players that most PvE players have experienced this from and that largely the GvG community is much more friendly and willing to give advice rather than spam crap like "go back to pve".

The PvP Community · Oct 22, 2010, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

that is not true, the advice they gave me in RA is "go back to PVE", "stop playing pvp you noob". yep

Ops, sorry to add that those are "high end" , coloured "cape" guild messing around in RA

You obviously missed his point, he was saying that the people you encounter in GvG will not be like these people you meet in RA and HA, and the level of tolerance and acceptance in GvG is overall much higher.

helloeveryone · Oct 22, 2010, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by The PvP Community

You obviously missed his point, he was saying that the people you encounter in GvG will not be like these people you meet in RA and HA, and the level of tolerance and acceptance in GvG is overall much higher.

you mean that the same GvGer with a gold/silver/bronze cape calling me "you pve noobcake" "you saw my cape u nub" will behave differently if he is in guild battle and not in RA/HA?

Maybe my encounter with GvGer wasn't pleasant to begin with. have quite a few encounters that is really demeaning. its not a nice feeling to be verbally abused simply because u lost a RA match you are trying hard to win

i know i wasn't good in pvp hence i stick to RA,FA,TA etc and just want to enjoy the game.

sorry for grunting. i believe that many others like me, have no interest to into "high end pvp" just so we could glorified others, haha

just saying my thoughts, no offends to other nice pvpers out there

Morphy · Oct 22, 2010, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Also, don't forget not all players with a gold cape actually got it through high-end play. Many people cape-leech.

fowlero · Oct 22, 2010, 05:10 PM // 17:10

As morphy said, anyone that says "you saw my cape nub" is probably a leecher. Those who won the trim have usually won a few before and as such don't flaunt it like it's something.

Trim/Tag means nothing, they can be anyone. Particuarly with some goldcape guilds.

RotteN · Oct 22, 2010, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by ilr

the Ladders are clogged with smurfs doing exactly what I just said: Modus Operandi; Dominating the fresh meat.

You're seriously misinterpreting the actual reason for making smurf guilds. "Dominating the fresh meat" was never really part of the equation. The main concern was that, once you're high up on the ladder, it can take ages to simply find an opponent. And since most GvGers play/played GW to actually play GvGs, and not wait around and chitchat on ventrilo, they created new guilds to find games faster. Usually, those smurf raced past the lower end of the ladder with very few losses, so there wasn't even that much "fresh meat owning" involved.

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

you mean that the same GvGer with a gold/silver/bronze cape calling me "you pve noobcake" "you saw my cape u nub" will behave differently if he is in guild battle and not in RA/HA?

Not everyone that runs around with a pretty cape-trim is part of the GvG team. In fact, most of the people that run around with one aren't. So no, he probably won't behave that differently (although there is, in fact, the rest of the team to keep the few hotheaded members in check), but the chance that you'll ever even fight him in GvG is even lower. Most trim-winning players don't go boast about their cape in RA anyway.

helloeveryone · Oct 22, 2010, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by fowlero

As morphy said, anyone that says "you saw my cape nub" is probably a leecher. Those who won the trim have usually won a few before and as such don't flaunt it like it's something.

Trim/Tag means nothing, they can be anyone. Particuarly with some goldcape guilds.

you do have a point though but by you alone saying most of them don't flaunt or demean others is your point of view and it differs from mine. but ur also right that cape could be leeched

sorry i understand that the purpose of this thread is to get players to gvg again. OP intention is good so i think i should stop expressing myself too much.

Essence Snow · Oct 22, 2010, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by RotteN

there is, in fact, the rest of the team to keep the few hotheaded members in check.

This^.....here is a key to making it more appealing to new players.